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I think that Andie didn't appear last Friday was a glitch: It has happened before. Everythingelse was/ is a coincidence.

It's funny how blinded people will tell you that the fact that Krystal is selling at least two times slower than the usual special does not mean she isn't as popular as the others.

I've got nothing against models of different ethnicities, but you got to open your eyes, really.

200 cards in 40 minutes is slow for you? It's funny how people see what they want to see.

@Alkasyn Thank you. I do love black women just as much as the next guy does but her card is selling brutally slow. I've been waiting for the new Miss Roxx card for which seems to be an eternity. I now it seems that I have to wait another eternity for her card to go on special. So for all you people that love diversity and especially you people that are on strike buy it up, I did. Let's get on to the next special.

@Ambler I can bet you my whole collection here that both Mis Roxx and Lea will go faster.

@Dropastone: I usually dont like to be involved in online flaming unless I'm very bored, which is the case today :) The prob is that some people will ignore it still and theyll keep asking why the company does not offer more ethnically diverse models, while the answer is right before them.

Do you really think there is any dispute that Melissa or Morgane sell faster than blacks or Asians? That is besides the point. The point is that if only 10% or 5% of the membership want to buy ethnic girls Totem should give them some once and a while because its good for business.

There are plenty of cards released every week that I don't want to buy or see. I don't see the point in complaining about it though. Just like I don't see the point in complaining about only the 3rd and probably last release of a black girl card this year. That's 3 out of 156 cards. If it takes an extra hour for those cards to sell on Friday special, so what. People who can't wait should man up and spend two tickets for their dose of white meat.

Ambler I think your missing the point. All I've been hearing is where is the ethnic diversity. Frankly getting tired of browsing through the posts here @ vghd and a majority of complaints have been about ethnic diversity. So for all you people who have been crying for months about diversity get off your butt and buy her card. For all the complaints I've been hearing you would think her card would have been sold out an 1 1/2 hours ago.

I'm not trying to start a flame war either but that's just the cold hard truth.

@Ambler:

Page 28 of this thread shows a dispute in which both you and me participated, about whether ethnic girls are less popular or not. Some people still seem to have doubts.

I also agree that it is good business to have a wider offer suited for more people. But to twist your POV - the fact that your Krystal is on SO might make some happy, but it might make the others angry beause they have to wait. Since neither you nor me can bring any relevant numbers to the table, we have to agree to disagree.

On a final note, if you really want to talk about complaining, you should refer to your posts and comments in other threads, namely about what you percieve as "foot fetish" and "lack of explicitness in VGHD".

I haven't bought a Krystel card yet... shes not a preference. But if people are mad because she is selling slowly on special then spend the extra dollar (a few cents more depending on the ticket bulk) to get an extra ticket and skip the "special". When you go to a store and a brand is on sale... do you get mad at the store owners and hold out for when that brand goes on sale? Either buy what you want or wait. Krystel may not be selling as fast but the few that bought quickly have been waiting a lot longer for a release while you wait for a "special". Life goes on...

I am not saying I am mad on anything, as that would be silly. What I am saying is that there are people who would prefer to have a yet another white caucasian isntead of an ethnic performer on special, because they exclude even a consideration of buying an ethnic card.

@Alkasyn:
Page 28 contains a discussion of the dangers of reading meaning into the specials. I think those dangers are relevant. Shabba 534/Pool Party took over 3 hours to sell on release (9/11). Does that mean Totem should not publish white Germans? Andie/Modern Times took over 2.5 hours. Does that mean white Czechs are becoming less popular?

If Krystel sells faster should Totem release more cards from blacks? Or isn't this just girl specific? If one of the most popular girls, i.e. Jana H, can take 12 hours on special, how do specials reflect popularity?

Yes there have been a lot of complaints about ethnicity and strikers and such. The vocal minority should have their day and if people are angry, so be it.

Regarding explicitness and foot fetishs, I think Totem is giving people what they want. Meaning non-explicit shows and an emphasis on bare feet. I'm not saying don't buy these. But a really explicit show would be a nice surprise-like Krystel every 8 months.

Some of the specials are cards that sold a TON already... the initial sale is a good tell on how popular the girl is. Its just the honest truth. But that doesn't trump my last point. I believe she isn't as popular. Its still important for her fans to have them released.

Agreed. It's like Ting, Laura, Andie, Demi and some of the other older less popular cards that are going to be released. Totem creates fans for these girls when they are selected and shouldn't hold back on the cards.

Here is the reality.
The same core of 200-250 people are here every friday.
The other 150 or so people that buy friday releases luck up on it.
This means most members miss the friday specials (americans, canadians, asians, and mexicans are majority of those that miss out due to time specials start friday). This means most vghd members DO NOT know what cards are on special unless they see the card offered on special when they open and run vghd (which for most is not daily- not even me).

Krystel is not new and she is not a "hot" black adult performer in the way melissa or tea are "hot" white brunette performers. She is lilianne tiger quality. Krystel does not represent popularity or quality overall of all black women anymore than maggie or silver represent all white women worldwide.

Friday special sales don't show anything except the core 250 here camping on fridays are not all excited about krystel. Of course it sells slow. That is expected.

Many USA and canadian schools are required to offer vegetarian lunches now for students. Most still get burgers, tacos, and other meat meals.
They do not expect as many students to get vegetarian as meat. They do not expect all vegetarians to like the veggie meal offered that day. If they offer squash lasagna there are those that do not like squash. Then again there are non-vegetarians that do not like meatloaf or fish or pork chops.

Add to that everyone with a full time 8-5 job in the EU who has no access to the site at work.

Having the new releases on special mid day central Europe time is not a good solution for a majority of people in both the EU and US... Maybe this is something the Team should consider finding an alternative solution for when they release the new website.

Personally, since I already have all cards, I'm not that dependent on catching the specials. I get them as trailers on release and the following day and as a VIP I get those for 1 ticket also :)

Personally i am happy that Krystel takes her time to sell because now i'm at home when the next girl comes on special. I also agree that the timing for the new releases is not good. But i see the dilemma that for a worldwide community there can't be a perfect time.
My solution would be to have the new releases on special 2 times with approx. 12 hours between.

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@Ambler:

Your point is that there is a small representation of black girls on the site. Therefore, a Krystal card can be a representation of how popular black girls are exactly because of that. If there is a need for black girls, people will buy them. Saying that slow sale of Andie's card means that white caucasians arent popular is rubbish and you know it. She is just a drop in the sea of white performers.

What boggles the mind is that there are people who cry for more diversity in models, and yet when the models sells slow they say that's to be expected and the company releasing the models should go with the flow. This is a business we're talking about. The question comes down to this- why would you release a Krystal and sell 400 tickets in 3 hours, when you can release a Morgane and sell it in 30 minutes?

My point is not to bash Krystal or anyone else for this matter, it's just for discussion.

I think Slayyer answered you above. Krystel is like the black eyed peas to go with all that white meat on Thanksgiving. Many people will just stick to the Turkey.

My point is that the specials don't represent anything more than the popularity of an individual girl at a given time. We already know Krystel rates low. Her cards do not sell well. Among black girls, she is vastly outsold by Felina. Among ethnics she is vastly outsold by Chems. I therefore think her performance today was more than acceptable- particularly with the immediate rating slam from non-card owners. It was not the worst showing I've seen for a new release.

Now why is releasing the occasional ethnic girl good for business? Because there is a certain percentage of current (and future) members who are primarily looking for cards from ethnic girls. I know this based on looking at all new member accounts for a 4 week period. Totem needs to throw them a bone occasionally to keep them interested in the product.

Card 646 Miss Roxx Amazing Girl 8.64 rating

Came on a few minutes ago

Boy has this thread gone off topic?

Actual special offer Miss Roxx. I could have sworn she was at 397 and when I changed page 295. Perhaps not... now 195. Be quick.

Looks like she will be gone by the end of the next minute.

Latest Special now we're back to normal

Card 458 Morgane Lady in Red 9.00 popularity

458 - Morgane / Lady in Red - rated 9.00 (0)

Actual special offer: Morgane Lady in Red 458 9.00

Krystel 3 hours
Lea 45 minutes
Miss Roxx 25 minutes

Krystel 400 cards in 180 minutes 2.22 cards per minute
Lea Tyron 400 cards in 40 minutes 10 cards per minute
Miss Roxx 400 cards in 26 minutes 15.38 cards per minute

Damn, Miss Roxx's card sold out fast as if it was a Black Friday deal! Let's be honest, folks. Certain cards, whose shows have not been seen by the buyer, ARE selling slower than others whose shows also have not been seen. Not saying anything, but I do remember Mai's card also took a while to get off and those who skip over her are missing out. Wouldn't be surprised if the "ethnic" cards were all taken off that only a few people would notice and say something about it. I personally like that we have a variety of chicks to choose from. Wish VGHD get some real Latin girls with asses on here though.

Sales of specials is not an indication of overall sales of cards.
A member has to specifically log on during the sale time to catch a girl on sale- friday or any other day.
If i just logged on now i missed the girls on special. Does that mna I don't like ethnic girls because i wasn't here to buy krystel? No
My friend Barry only buys ethnic cards. Period. He wasn't going to get up super early to buy krystel on european time; but he bought her card for 2 tickets when he got up. The 1 ticket issue didn't matter to him. Totem got 2 tickets out of him by offering the ethnic girl. It costs them nothing to offer an ethnic girl, They benefit from any sales of the card. It doesn't have to sell fast. Totem doesn't make more money by a card selling faster on special. All 400 card specials only sell 400. That is 400 tickets. Krystel sold as many as miss roxx. 400.

variety is not just hair color and boob size- it is offering women of color too. And not just releasing old cards from formers.

Be careful folks or perhaps the so called "silent majority" will start a strike of their own demanding that Totem rename the site to "VirtuaALLcaucasianGirlsALLthetimeHD"

:-)

Krystel's Special should have sold in 20 min with all the complaints there has been about not having ethnic diversity and the fact that her card took 3 hrs to sell out compared to 40 minutes for Lea and 26 minutes for Miss Roxx should speak volumes in itself. Apparently there is not a real need for all the hype about ethnic diversity. If all you picket liners would have jumped on Krystel like the other two girls then you could have supported your case to totem in a much better light. So the way I see it there is a much higher demand for Caucasian women here Than Blacks, Asians or Latinas and I suspect Totem feels the same.

This is all I have to say about the subject and will not comment on it again.

Obviously Totem feels the same. Otherwise they would have hired more than two black girls for this product. Although I do wonder how strong sales of white girls would be if Silver and Galbina were the only white girls on this site.

Of course, they should never hire Germans because they sell extremely slowly. Maybe they should just release Melisa cards every week with the occasional Morgane card thrown in for variety. Wouldn't that make everyone happy?

I wonder who is timing how slowly the Morgane/Lady in Red card that is up now on special is selling,my guess is slower than Krystel's, lol

Anyway,@Ambler, Dropastone has put it in writing that he will not comment further so perhaps we should take a break and relax. We are here to get stress release not to create more stress,,, lol,,,, so as alerte would say let's "have funrious"

@Ambler - I have to agree. Although I don't give a crap about race, there are a LOT of Latinas and Black girls that should up on here or at least some girls who AREN'T from Czech Republic. My biggest gripe is what Totem considers worthy of be put on which is very little but very strict. Ennie, for instance, is exceptionally beautiful but she does the SAME thing in ALL OF HER CARDS. Again, her looks carry her a LONG way but should they have not taught her some more moves? Kayla, on the other hand, is awesome and knows how to move, despite her ratings. Not to say that white girls do not know how to move. Jenni Gregg, Morgane, Shabba, Adrienn are all great movers. My point is that if Totem wants to lose the explicitness, then they have to also raise their standards in terms of overall performance as well. And spring for some more theme-type shows like a Lolita card, a Morticia card, a Nun card, whatever is possible but stick to the theme. And get some more Spanish chicks!

@titilate - I think Morgane's show is selling slow because most people probably already have all of her cards. You can't miss with a Morgane card.

It's at least the 3rd time Morgane/ Lady In Red is on special. I think she was on once before I started to record the specials, which would make it four times. That accounts for a lot.

Somehow I knew appeasing the Ethnic Strikers wouldn't end the squabble over diversity anymore. Shoulda put money down on it.

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531 - Alexandra - Smack Me - Rated 8.78

334 - Jenna Sweet / Granny smith rated 8.83 (0)

513 Ariel / Pink disco rated 8.90 (0)

I would probably buy all LATIN girls only, if TOTEM would decide to hire some Latin dancers/strippers. I have always had a preference for Latinas. I don't think it will happen, though, because it appears that the majority of members on here prefer to have their caucasian babes. It almost like - if it ain't broke, dont fix it. I don't agree with that, though.
POINT being - when I had STRIP SAVER - that DEL SOL chick from Brazil, was so hott! She was one of my favorite girls.

556 - Jenni Gregg / Gorgeous girl rated 8.88 (0)